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Parentheses aren't allowed per WP:DYK200, and I think 'ITVX, Britbox and then Netflix' is pure namedropping (and it should really be 'Britbox, and'). I'll take a look when I get back, but I'd be inclined to take a rewritten version of ALT1, like so: ALT1a: ... that prior to appearing on video-on-demand services, the 2022 short film Kaur had toured festivals, universities, and gurdwaras? Also, is there a difference between 'gurdwara' and 'gurudwara'?--Launchballer11:25, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2... that British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her so she co-wrote and co-produced her own?Actor, writer and producer Parvinder Shergill...she's had to wait too long to see movies featuring women who look like her....Bend it like Beckham, 20 years ago, was the last mainstream film to feature women from her background...She co-wrote and co-produced it ...[2][3]Whispyhistory (talk) 13:59, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reads a bit breathless. I'm going to suggest:
ALT2a... that after British Sikh physician Parvinder Shergill could not find a recent mainstream English film led by a woman that looked like her, she co-wrote and co-produced her own?
... that the 1846 book The Stars and World History by Felix Eberty, which contemplated a faraway observer seeing "the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham", inspired a young Albert Einstein?
Source: "By the time that Felix Eberty, a German jurist and amateur astronomer, anonymously published “The Stars and World History,” in 1846, it was well known that light had a finite speed... Eberty was particularly fascinated by what this delay meant for a faraway observer of our planet. Perched on a distant star, he wrote, such a person might “see the earth at this moment as it existed at the time of Abraham.” Furthermore, by hopscotching across the cosmos, “he will be able to represent to himself, as rapidly as he pleases, that moment in the world’s history which he wishes to observe at leisure.” Eberty had witnessed great gains in the speed of transportation and communication during his lifetime, and he believed that humanity might soon be travelling even faster than light.
Among the impressionable young Germans who read Eberty and Bernstein was one named Albert Einstein."
The article is sufficiently long and new, has citations throughout, and appears to be written neutrally. I AGF on offline and German language sources. QPQ is done. There is some trouble in the references with a citation template, and then there's the matter of the hook. The hook says Eberty "inspired" Einstein, but the above quote does not verify that, only that Einstein read Eberty. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am going to fix this up a bit more. The article is mostly a translation of the German Wikipedia article. Will be done in less than 24 hours. Thriley (talk) 23:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that all solutions of the Erdős–Moser equation correspond to convergents of ln(2), yielding "one of very few instances where a large scale computation of a numerical constant has an application"?
ALT1: ... that the only known solution to the Erdős–Moser equation is 1 + 2 = 3?
I'll also note that the article would be better with a bit more prose to contextualize what is going on here. Currently the article itself is very inaccessible to the average reader, it would be nice to have a background of why this equation is important (I see the term "Diophantine equation" being used, maybe you could include a few sentences on how this relates to the article) and some prose (as opposed to proofs) to convey the methods being used to solve it. Sohom (talk) 01:10, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to our DYK rules, "Hooks should be likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers with no special knowledge or interest". I don't think that is the case for the proposed hook. Also, I think the hook is misleading: as far as we know, it could be the case that all solutions of the equation are the single solution 1+2=3, unrelated to the log(2) calculation. And calling this an "application" is dubious when it is just a mathematical calculation used to support another mathematical calculation. I have generally interpreted this rule as requiring that the hook connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond mathematics (just as we require that hooks about fiction connect the subject to some real-world topic beyond the plot). Unfortunately I see no non-mathematics at all in the article, on which to build a hook. It's kind of interesting to me that the known lower bound on a second solution is such a huge number, but I don't think I represent a general reader for this purpose. I do also agree that the walls of equations make the article hard to read (not just to the average reader), but that is not really a DYK criterion. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:22, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, as a non-math guy, this hook is remarkably uninteresting. Though that is obviously my opinion, it shows that it is likely not a suitable one, or the article as a whole as a matter of a fact. TheBritinator (talk) 01:43, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's better. It still doesn't relate to non-mathematics at all, but at least it's (1) at a level understandable to the general reader, and (2) kind of intriguing how something so basic-looking as 1+2=3 could be the basis of something where we don't know if there is another solution. The question is whether it's enough better to pass the interestingness test. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For context, The Times published a piece yesterday morning that directly contradicted my hook, which meant it wasn't accurate (he could afford a chip butty, just a slightly smaller one than usual). I also noticed that the Telegraph did not mention lunch, probably because it was in fact dinner. I will propose some more hooks later, but for now, I got severely carried away expanding the article, meaning that around only three eighths of this has actually been reviewed. This will definitely require a new reviewer. (Incidentally, that "Fighting Against the Elite" video is actually Creative Commons, so I have uploaded it to this nomination.)--Launchballer20:04, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT3: ... that David Fishwick went from a £27.50 a week pebbledashing job to becoming the biggest minibus supplier in Britain?
ALT4: ... that David Fishwick used to stuff his wallet with paper to appear richer to prospective sellers?
ALT5: ... that David Fishwick married his wife after she told him his music was rubbish?
ALT6: ... that David Fishwick decided he no longer wanted to be poor following an incident involving a chip butty?
ALT7: ... that a Times reviewer of Channel 4's Bank of Dave opined that David Fishwick "could have been one of the best comedy characters of 2012"?
... and if "200 characters" wasn't a thing, I'd propose "that David Fishwick'sHow to Get Rich Quick "encourages people of modest means to pursue equally modest dreams in the very modest hopes, several weeks of hard work later, of doubling their modest investments"?.--Launchballer10:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article has tripled in size since LunaEclipse's original approval. This should probably get another review. With the benefit of a few weeks, my preference is ALT6 as closest to the original struck hook.--Launchballer07:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Passerby comment (this is not a full review, feel free for others to take this nomination to review): to a reader without context not familiar with characters in the show, "Stormfront's lightning" will read weirdly, like a misspelled comment on the brightness of the Stormfront website. "Researched" is also a bit high-falutin', it's not like they actually did some physics research for the episode - the source quotes them as saying "we looked at Nikola Tesla". Maybe something like:
ALT2: that writers for the episode "Over the Hill with the Swords of a Thousand Men" were inspired by the experiments of Nikola Tesla for depicting a lightning attack used by the malicious superheroine Stormfront?
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rating this article as a Start seems... pretty low (is it "developing but still quite incomplete"?). If I may be frank, this review is seems a little harsh. ALT0 was not taken out of context: the reviewer is saying that the documentary was funny, no (see the quote)? I don't know how to address the charge of ALT1 being boring (I thought that something being unnerving and making a reviewer regret watching was interesting), and as for ALT2, I don't really follow: I believe that they did call the hotline in the documentary. Sdrqaz (talk) 14:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
of course the review is harsh, this is going on the main page. as for alt2, the wording is unclear. perhaps say something like "they call an automated hotline"? ltbdl (talk) 16:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added ALT0a, which hopefully addresses the concern of "original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context", given that it is the same formulation as the source. Sdrqaz (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: My interpretation of QUOTEPOV was that attribution was preferred in this instance as "Concise opinions that are not overly emotive can often be reported with attribution instead of direct quotation" (second paragraph). Sdrqaz (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, which is why it should be directly attributed to The Times instead of referring to the publication as merely the reviewer, and so funny should neither be quoted nor written in Wiki's voice since it creates POV issues either way:
@Nineteen Ninety-Four guy and Ltbdl: I don't understand how hilarious is more neutral than funny, given that funny seems like a not overly emotive... simple descriptive term. I also do not think that it is necessary to mention which source that is in the hook, given that it goes against much of established practice – if you see theleekycauldron's essay (and its application of WP:WEASEL), the addition of "a reviewer" is already more than what is necessary. Sdrqaz (talk) 01:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Sdrqaz: Except the reviewer didn't just say funny but so funny, which is near-synonymous with hilarious; the latter can just be as neutral with proper attribution to the speaker. I concede to the "reviewer" bit, tho; I've slightly modified my alt suggestion to reflect this.Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but the issue with ALT0b's that is that it's comparable to the so in the actual source: by changing so funny to that hilarious, you're actually changing the degree of humor (yes, I can't believe that I am saying this) to so so funny. New review of the hooks requested, given ltbdl's inactivity on this; other parts of the review have been completed. Sdrqaz (talk) 03:34, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't do an end run around a previous reviewer. Consensus is required to run a hook, and ltbdl made a review that objected in good faith to ALT0. I will say that I don't see at all how ALT0 takes a quote out of context, and I do support it running. Either ltbdl can withdraw their objection, or I can ask for more voices at WT:DYK to see if we can get a consensus to run this anyway. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:18, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL?
Comment: since this seems to be something of a medical claim, the hook should be attributing correctly (Brown paraphrasing his doctor), if it's run at all. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 10:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for missing it. @Theleekycauldron: So, something like this then? ALT1 ... that college football player Reggie Brown suffered an injury that his doctor said causes "a lot of people [to] never even walk right again", but recovered in time for the next season and later made it to the NFL? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: No, I'm saying that Brown is not quoting his doctor verbatim. I'm also wondering whether we should be implying a broad medical claim based on what someone said their doctor said. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have begun the review process of this DYK, and the hook seems good and accurate, based on the source cited. The article is also new enough, having been created on 9 June 2024.
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
I'll go over the article again to check for things that I may have missed, but this will have to wait until Thursday, after we have concluded our holiday.Davidbena (talk) 12:19, 11 June 2024 (UTC
Based on the first reference/source that you cite in the article, the tombs are also known as Engineers' Tomb. This alternate name should also be mentioned in the lead paragraph.Davidbena (talk) 22:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am relatively new in the DYK area. I'm not sure what more needs to be done here. As far as I can tell, everything is ready.Davidbena (talk) 18:54, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29:, the author of this article cites from the academic journal "Cathedra" some six times, and the pages cited by him in this journal are pages 83–120. These are broad page numbers, rather than specific page numbers. @PeleYoetz:, is it possible for you to add the specific page number to each cited reference?Davidbena (talk) 17:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems? Source: ref: One of the most powerful tracks is "No. 1," featuring Nigerian R&B star Tems. Tyla even pushed back the deadline to turn in the album so she could lock in the collab.
Reviewed:
Created by Dxneo (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Overall: Image isn't appropriate; as per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines, the image used for DYK must be in the article. It is also pending a review to see if it's free... I can't help there, as I've been unable to find where YouTube is keeping its licensing information ever since it was redesigned. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
dxneo, having it in the article would fix the first issue. I've also been able to confirm the CC-BY license with this archive, so the second part isn't an issue. Once the image is in the article, we're good to go. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I unpromoted this hook because I realised it breached WP:DYKIMG ("Try to avoid images that divert readers from the bolded article into a side article"; as such, it should be run without the image. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:27, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh: Apologies, but I've pulled the hook, both because the set this was promoted to already had two music hooks and thus needed rejigging (see WT:DYK#Prep 4 rejigger; courtesy ping Bruxton), but also because I don't think the hook as currently written meets WP:DYKINT. If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention. There might be potential in the hook fact itself (i.e. the submission date delay), but in any case the hook probably needs to be reworded to add context for readers unfamiliar with either artist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narutolovehinata5, Crisco 1492, and Hey man im josh:, I thought the hook was supposed to be concise and straight to the point. "If readers do not know who Tyla or Tems are, the hook doesn't really seem to make much sense or at least catch attention." So how do we go about this, are we supposed to introduce them on DYK? I'm so confused. Any suggestions on how the hook can be improved? dxneo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Dxneo. Even without following recent music, I was able to tell that it was "that musician delayed album to allow collaboration with musician." We could contextualize it by including "South African singer" for Tyla and "Nigerian singer" for Tems, but that introduces repetition and doesn't seem to qualify Tyla sufficiently given her Grammy win and charting. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Contextualizing is probably a good idea and what I originally had in mind as the solution. Also while the Grammy winning thing is a good thing, not everyone may be following the Grammys or be as well-versed in entertainment. Not all Grammy winners are household names. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:27, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Narutolovehinata5, yes you are right. However, these are two well established artists. Tyla peaked in top 10 in over 25 countries and was also certified higher than Gold in over 10 countries. On the other hand, Tems pretty much did the same thing and even more since she has been in the game longer than Tyla. We may say "South African singer Tyla…" as there are other Tylas, but there's only one Tems. Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 13:33, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that South African singer Tyla delayed her debut album's submission date in order to collaborate with Tems?
I suppose I can live with ALT1, although my preference would still be to include Nigerian singer somewhere in the hook. That would be optional though given the focus is on Tyla and adding that would make the hook far more clunky. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:11, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Although the hook is shorter than 200 characters (at 185 characters), it does seem pretty long and a bit hard to read. I understand it might be difficult to compress the hook into a more concise one, but if that's possible I would suggest doing so anyway. Otherwise, another concern I have is that it's not exactly that uncommon for Olympic athletes to be relatives of other Olympians, and in any case the hook seems more to do with Sagiv's family than he himself. I'd like to see more suggestions that are more about Sagiv himself. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:51, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it’s indeed rare to have two Olympians who are brothers and who also have a father who is an Olympian. And there is ample coverage of this fact in RSs in regard to him and his family precisely because it is notable. 2603:7000:2101:AA00:C1F0:2A4D:7D90:217B (talk) 08:12, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To shorten the hook even further than 185 characters, though I think 185 is appropriately concise, one might consider changing the lead-in of the hook to "that triathlete Shachar Sagiv, who will represent Israel at the 2024 Summer Olympics ..." That would bring the character count down 11, to a tidy 174, 26 characters short of the limit.
@Dharmadhyaksha and Mehedi Abedin: The article has a citation needed tag and needs copyediting for sentences such as "Parents of Choudhary and Sarojs have been MPs/MLAs and of Jatav have been deputy sarpanch", "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short", etc. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 07:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AirshipJungleman29: The tag wasn’t' there when I was inspecting the article as a reviewer. Also the article was good to me in that time and it was edited many times by many users and ip after review. Mehedi Abedin11:02, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this needs to be rephrased. '33% of MPs will be required to be women although new Lok Sabha has only 14%?' It's 33 percent of MPs are mandated to be women, not 33 percent of women MPs; there is a fundamental difference. Will Thorpe (talk) 02:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This hook feels really wordy, which is why I think it hasn't been promoted yet. Is there any way to trim it a bit? What about this? ♠PMC♠ (talk)02:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So wait, basically the hook is that the percentage of female MPs is less than what's mandated by a law that isn't even in force yet? I'm not sure I find that particularly surprising or intriguing. ♠PMC♠ (talk)19:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes.... its way less that what would be required by maybe next elections. I understand the hook is becoming un-interesting as we are being factually correct. Hence i was using "will be required" and skipping the part of "when will it be required". If you have any other suggestions, we can think of those too. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:46, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha "The 14% strength of women in Lok Sabha is considerably short than the 33% which will be required after the Women's Reservation Bill, 2023 is enforced after the delimitation of constituencies happens post this 2024 elections." That sentence doesn't make much sense without context. Consider rewording it to flow better like the original proposed hooks. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dharmadhyaksha: Articles are long enough and were created/expanded within 7 days of submission. Articles are presentable, sourced, and copy-vio free, though I think the election article could use copyediting to make it more readable (missing punctuation, rephrasing to sound more natural, etc.}. Additionally, the hook's claim that Majhi "formed" a state government isn't stated in the source nor in either article. These things would need to be addressed before approval. Kimikel (talk) 19:19, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel: Some minor copyediting done. Unfortunately i could not fina any glaring copy editing requirements. But you can help, if you think some sentences need tweeking. When a Chief Minister takes oath they form the government. Statesman says the new government is formed and that Majhi is the new CM. I don't see what the confusion here is. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Requesting a second opinion, as I obviously lack knowledge on the workings of Indian politics. Hopefully someone more acquainted with the subject can review this. Kimikel (talk) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. QPQ present. This is a unique contribution to DYK as it is three paragraphs and a list; even though one paragraph does not end in an inline citation, I am treating it as a lead-section paragraph. All the list bullet points contain at least one inline citation. The hook fact checks out and is included. Image is OGL-licensed and acceptable for the Main Page. Good to go after 4 July per above. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for the review, Sammi! If you've got concerns over the amount of prose in this article, I've expanded the lead with another paragraph. Let me know if you think this has improved things. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 15:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Despite what the sources say, I find it hard to believe that in the hundreds of years there have been prime ministers in the UK, not a single one of them before Boris Johnson has ever broken some law. In fact, it only took me a couple of minutes to find in Robert Walpole: In 1712, Walpole was accused of venality and corruption in the matter of two forage contracts for Scotland. Although it was proven that he had retained none of the money, Walpole was pronounced "guilty of a high breach of trust and notorious corruption".[16] He was impeached by the House of Commons and found guilty by the House of Lords; he was then imprisoned in the Tower of London for six months and expelled from Parliament.
@RoySmith: I believe the distinction is that Johnson is the first serving Prime Minister to be found to have broken the law – the Walpole incident that you're describing occurred nine years before he became Prime Minister. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm ambivalent. I think that any hook is DUE as long as it is not unduly negative compared to the article. But I'm not sure if there are BLP problems with this article existing in the first place. If there aren't, I'd be okay with promoting it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 22:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the community feels that the current hook is too contentious, then here are some alts that I hope might be preferred instead:
I still feel that the original is the most interesting and "hook"-y, but I'm happy to go with consensus on this. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the character Healie's popularity with players lead to the introduction of monster recruitment in Dragon Quest V, a mechanic that inspired Dragon Quest Monsters?
Comment: It's a little outside the seven days, but my PC was in the middle of being transferred. I considered an ALT, but I felt that any possible ALT would not be as strong as noting the influence of Healie on the direction of the series.
Improved to Good Article status by Cukie Gherkin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
It's borderline since it's at exactly 200 words, but it might be better for the main reviewer to decide. Given this is your second nomination, the reviewer will probably be lenient about the nomination being slightly late. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 was one of the earliest train wrecks ever photographed? Source: Reed, Robert (1968). Train Wrecks: A Pictorial History of Accidents on the Main Line. Seattle: Superior Pub. Co. pp. 20–21. Also verified by Heppner, Frank H. (2012). Railroads of Rhode Island: shaping the Ocean State's railways. Charleston, South Carolina: History Press. p. 78
Article was promoted to GA status on time and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done. Since I can't access either source for the hook I'd like to at least see a quote or excerpt that discusses the hook. As for the hook itself, while it meets WP:DYKINT, the footnote supporting it comes at the end of the paragraph where the sentence is rather than the end of the sentence itself. In addition, the hook and the article do not match: the hook says "one of the earliest" but the article outright says "believed to be the first." I understand this is because of the recent issues with "first" hooks, but as it stands, the article cannot run unless that is resolved first. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to Train Wrecks right now as I'm in the middle of a move. Heppner says "This was the first train wreck ever to be photographed and printed in a newspaper". I have added an inline cite at the end of the sentence. This is kind of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation - if we try and run the hook as stated in the sources and article, it will almost certainly be challenged. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual litmus test for "first" hooks is whether there's a finite set of things, making it possible to definitively order them and see which was first. For example, we can be pretty sure George Washington was indeed the first president of the United States; even the most skeptical of us should be willing to accept that there wasn't one before him that we just somehow haven't found yet in a google search. In this case, photography had only existed for about 20 years when this crash happened. The window of when an earlier photo might have been taken is thus limited, so at least this seems likely to be true. On general principles, however, I think we should say "believed to be" or something like that. FWIW, I found mention of this in the George Eastman House 2008 Annual Report which says "[Train wreck on the Providence Worcester Railroad near to Pawtucket], August 12, 1853. Attributed to L. Wright. Daguerreotype. so there may be some uncertainty about the photographer's identity. RoySmith(talk)15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I generally interpret the phrase "attributed to" to indicate a degree of uncertainty. Thus Read my lips: no new taxes says, "Read my lips: no new taxes" is a phrase spoken by American presidential candidate George H. W. Bush. There's no doubt in anybody's mind that he said it. Millions of people watched him say it live on TV and we've got it on videotape to go back and verify. But Gospel of Matthew says The gospel is traditionally attributed to the Apostle Matthew because we're not 100% sure. I think the same thing is going on here; the Eastman folks believe Wright took the image, but they apparently have enough uncertainty about it that they felt the needs to hedge in their statement. RoySmith(talk)19:44, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand now. So what we know without a doubt is this collision happened and it was photographed. Photography was very much an emerging technology at this point so I think this is almost certainly one of the first train collisions ever photographed, if not the first. Railroads as we know them only really emerged around 1830 with the Liverpool and Manchester Railway and the Daguerreotype was invented in 1839. It's difficult to definitively prove this was the first photo, but it was almost certainly one of the earliest. The question is how do we word this in the article and in the hook. An ALT1 about the emergence of a very early form of a coordinated time/time zone in the aftermath of this wreck is also possible, as that is somewhat easier to verify. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings: As this is your nomination, you will know the contents of this article better than a reviewer. I suggest that you propose an ALT1 along with what you suggest above, or several ALTs, so the reviewer can determine the most interesting ones. Z1720 (talk) 01:47, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ...that the Valley Falls train collision in 1853 led to the creation of the first time zone in the United States? Source: America's First Time Zone, the Harvard Gazette "That first voluntary time agreement among the railroads became mandatory a few years later, after an 1853 wreck occurred outside Pawtucket, R.I., on a blind curve known as the Boston Switch...After that, railroad time was mandated along the region’s tracks...The result of all this, said Galison and Schechner, was America’s first time zone" Trainsandotherthings (talk) 01:33, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given the brouhaha about "first" hooks, we will need a much stronger source for the "first time zone" option, or perhaps a revised version that isn't as strong about it being a "first". Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1 ... that the 2025 Philippine general election is set to be the first to be held under a new voting system provider after the previous one was disqualified over corruption allegations?
Strongly suggest that "will be" be replaced by "is set to be" or the equivalent. WP:CRYSTAL applies here to a certain extent: something could happen in the Philippines to change next year's election provider between now and then—it might even revert to the previous provider, however unlikely that seems at the moment—and "will be" is a definite prediction of the future while "is set to be" simply says that this is what's expected as of today. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that the Orca Shipwreck, dating from the Late Bronze Age and recently discovered in the eastern Mediterranean, is the earliest deep-sea shipwreck ever found?
According to DYK-check, "Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created". (I haven't checked for copy-right violations). Also, I would have liked to know why it is called the Orca Shipwreck? Huldra (talk) 22:37, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article was created 4 days ago and on the same day i nominated it for DYK. The reason for the name derives from the news articvle staitng it was found next to Israels' Orca gas field. Here is the quote from the article: "While scanning the seabed ahead of developing Israel's Orca natural gas field , Energean observed an anomaly that would change our understanding of ancient navigation skills" Owenglyndur (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
New enough and long enough. Hook fact checks out. Nominator was QPQ-exempt. They have been indefinitely blocked for copyvio issues, though Earwig gives a clean bill of health to the existing sources in page, at least in English. Given the nominator's block, I would like this to be double-checked by someone with Hebrew fluency before approval to see if there is copyvio to the Hebrew-language source in this page. I will manage any changes necessary. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:52, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that given the circumstances, a copyvio check of other language sources is essential. Without that, this should not go any further. Schwede6617:01, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If the nominator has been blocked for copyright violations, and no one has stepped forward to offer to check the sources, then I think it's time to close this as unsuccessful. We have enough nominations that this does not have to run. Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article was recently recreated from a redirect so if tools say this is an old article then that is inaccurate. Thus the article is technically eligible. There are however multiple major issues with the nomination right now. The first is that the article is in need of a copyedit, and second, the hook is too vague and broad to meet WP:DYKINT. It lacks context (it doesn't make it unambiguously clear that the subject is a song), and the "#1 on the popularity charts" claim also lacks context. I should also note that the article isn't more specific about which charts are being referred to here either, so that is also an issue with the article. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case then that hook can't run as it won't pass scrutiny on either WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS. A new hook will need to be proposed here, but if one can't, then the nom will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The context of that hook is a bit unclear. Did you mean the song was covered by Kumar and Rafi with the help of AI? Given this is a music-related hook, maybe Launchballer can come up with a clearer and more grammatically-correct wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:44, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that the tools are saying this is an old article because it used to be one; the article was deleted at AfD in 2012. I think the AI stuff takes it over the line in terms of notability.--Launchballer13:14, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that ToI has a yellow rating at WP:RSP, but the hook's claim seems uncontroversial and not something they likely made up. If there are no other sources that cover that information I don't think it should be an issue to use ToI in this particular case (unless this is one of their paid articles), but to be on the safe side maybe another source should be added to strengthen the claim. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:20, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologise if my original post was not clear. The two Times of India pieces are currently used to back up a claim of plagiarism and the winning of an award, which I regard as needing stronger sourcing. I have no objection with the Hindustan Times being used for the hook.--Launchballer07:50, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No further objections from me, although for a low-profile individual like that fan, you probably shouldn't be including their name per WP:BLPNAME. I've removed this for you, and made a few other edits while at it. Also, without evidence that the 'popularity charts' are anything other than Hindustan Times' own chart, that had to come out per WP:SINGLEVENDOR. Passing you back to @Narutolovehinata5:.--Launchballer08:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that an EastEnders storyline depicting Keegan Baker and Shakil Kazemi being stabbed was considered "one of the most important the show has ever embarked on" by executive consultant John Yorke?
ALT1: ... that after former Philippine President Ramon Magsaysay's plane launched from Lahug Airport, he had a plane crash which ultimately ended his life? Source: [6]
Interesting: - Neither hook is particularly interesting to a broad audience. The papal mass at the airport sounds far more interesting.
QPQ: - Still needed. Overall: Went ahead and copyedited the article, but it seems to have brought it below the length requirement after removing some filler. SounderBruce01:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"PacificWrecks.com" does not exactly scream "reliable". The CDN piece seems to be an opinion/contributor reflection rather than a proper news article. I imagine a papal mass would have plenty of coverage, no? SounderBruce02:42, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SounderBruce: PacificWrecks seems pretty popular and reliable, but in case, I found this website, which seems like a copy of a book? And the other statement about the CDN piece, yes, It seems like that, but they would not change the facts, since they are one of the most reliable sources in Cebu City. And the 3rd and last statement, yes, It feels like that, but it was pretty old, so im not sure about the last one. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack
... that when Didier Berthod failed to make the first free ascent of Cobra Crack(pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go. Thriley (talk) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aszx5000 A few things need to be rephrased per Earwig. Even little parts like "the first free ascent" and "one of the hardest crack climbs in the world" can, and should, be rephrased. Those are just two examples. SL93 (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter that it isn't deprecated. It matters that its reliability has been questioned, and I'm looking for a strong rationale as to why it is being used.--Launchballer22:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it then. My gut says that it isn't strong enough for the claims it's making. You do still need a grammatically correct hook.--Launchballer19:36, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Better, although MOS:CONTRACTIONS forbids words like 'wasn't', and I'd also trim it at 'shot' per WP:DYKTRIM, like so: ALT1a: ... that the 2005 Hindi-language song "Dus Bahane" was not supposed to be shot?. I note that the source says 'shot' as well, so AGF that this is acceptable in Indian English and call for another reviewer.--Launchballer07:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: Love this! New enough, long enough, Earwig comes up clean, no image, QPQ has been done, and hook is damn interesting. Unfortunately, visityerevan.am, farusa.org, hamazkayin.com, armeniadiscovery.com, thecaucasustours.com, and evnmediafest.com are not reliable sources. Once those are replaced or removed, I can go ahead and pass this. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:02, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is an image now, and I think there might be WP:FOP problems. Also, "first" is going to be very hard to verify, as we can't rule out there being an earlier, smaller museum in a distant country the authors of the sources never heard of. Bremps...10:22, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
comment RE: image - the file name states the painting was done by Ruben Igityan, who was the son of Henrik Igityan. He died in a plane crash in 1975 with his mother. Henrik would therefore inherit the rights? I assumed that since Henrik is still involved with the NCA, and the image was donated as part of a partnership, that the licensing was OK. Lajmmoore (talk) 22:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lajmmoore: I still see some unreliable sources, and that the Centre itself is being used to support controversial claims. I don't think ALT1 communicates anything more interesting that the name already implies – sure, someone said it's a children's art gallery and that it's surprisingly good. One person saying that doesn't make it all that intriguing, I would think. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: I think I quite liked the hook, because I don't think most people would automatically think children's art was beautiful?! (it did have a grammer mistake in that I removed now)- I'll look at the rest later on :) Lajmmoore (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All right, fair enough. But the hook can't be phrased in wikivoice, so we'll need an ALT that provides some attribution. Let me know when the other changes have been made :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Theleekycauldron: - I've added a couple of new citations and trimmed the NCA ones now - I don't think they support anything contentious, just numbers of artworks. I've also toned down the "world's first"-ness. In terms of an ALT2, how about:
This probably isn't the right symbol as nobody appears to have started a proper review as yet. All there is above is a discussion about hooks that may or may not work. Schwede6603:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that a scrapped song from SZA's second album was supposed to be on her next one, but when the song was leaked she had to scrap it again?
Source: * "'Joni' is on it. Well, they leaked it, so I wasn't gonna put it on there. I guess I should still… but they leaked it already." (Variety); "'So we'll make this really simple. Y'all leaked 3 songs from the deluxe. Atp y'all can keep the throw aways and leaks,' she tweeted, as reported by Variety. 'I'll be starting LANA from scratch do not ask me about it again.'" (Complex)
Reviewed:
Comment: Clarifying that it was scrapped from the third album; latest updates from SZA suggest "Joni" might be on the second album's deluxe. Open to any suggestions.
Moved to mainspace by PSA (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.
Page is long enough, new enough, hook is cited, and the hook is interesting. This all seems good, except I don't see a QPQ done. A review of another DYK is still needed! Di (they-them) (talk) 04:21, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Robert Smith's demo vocals for "Not in Love" were so captivating that Crystal Castles canceled their studio recording plans to keep his original demo in the final track?
I disagree with a merge as this version got coverage of its own for being its own thing. It certainly meets WP:NCOVER ("Notable covers are eligible for standalone articles, provided that the article on the cover can be reasonably detailed based on facts independent of the original"). I think this is a valid case of having a separate article. Skyshiftertalk18:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess. Not that it's your problem, but the original's really short and I'd question its notability. Might redirect it to your article and see if anybody whinges. Full review needed.--Launchballer18:39, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In addition to the original source, I added another (the NYT link) that directly attributes the merchandise sales to Brandiose's rebrand. Kimikel (talk) 12:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kimikel:: Is Brandiose responsible for the name change/rebrand? If so, perhaps you could remove "design" from the hook, maybe that would work better?
@GoldRomean: The name itself was chosen by a fan poll. Brandiose was responsible for the design of all the branding. Based on that, if there's a better way to phrase that part of the hook, I'd have no problems with it. Kimikel (talk)
@Kimikel: What about "... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?" But I'm still hesitant... I'll leave for more experienced DYK people. GoldRomean (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree. Proposing:
ALT1: ... that Brandiose's design work for the Rocket City Trash Pandas helped the team sell $4 million in merchandise before it played its first game?
@Z1720:@Kimikel: Apologies, I wrote a reply, probably forgot to publish it, and forgot about this till now. I think there needs to be better sourcing for the alt, like, a source that more directly backs up the hook. I want a second opinion anyway, but that's just my two cents. Sorry again :D. GoldRomean (talk) 22:11, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: New enough and long enough. Nominator is QPQ-exempt. Can't view the source. I do have an issue with the wording in the hook. Article says he founded Wa Yan with 3,000 pesos, sold it, and then founded Ling Nam (no peso number given). This needs reconciling with the hook fact. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 19:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@KunalAggarwal95: I'm not sure it does. The first source is a track listing, the next three are listicles, the next one is an interview, the next three are album reviews, the next two are awards, and only the last one could arguably count as significant coverage of substantial impact. That means you only have one source that meets the requirements spelled out in WP:GNG – you'd need one or two more to meet notability requirements. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm probably the wrong person to ask about this. As far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of our music articles don't meet WP:N, but I recognize I'm not going to convince people of that, so I just grit my teeth and move on. RoySmith(talk)15:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Theleekycauldron: If you do not think this meets the notability requirements, can you open an AfD so we can get consensus on this nomination? If you think it meets the requirements, can you remove the banner and indicate below? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm a few days tardy with the nom because I forgot to get it done before going out of town for the weekend, but it got to size in the time period.
Overall: Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will look at this today. I didn't write that part of the article and I didn't check it before my nom. I may have to rewrite and provide a new hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Updating you here Bagumba, I should have taken more time to verify this myself before nominating, but I was traveling over July 4. Not an excuse. His website says as collectors ourselves who have sold over $2B in collectibles, which of course won't verify our hook. I can't otherwise find "$2 billion". I will rewrite the article this weekend, culling low quality sources and adding a couple of better ones I've found, and propose a solid hook. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Muboshgu: The lead conflicts, saying that it's the company with $1.3B: ... his company, Goldin Auctions, which has sold $1.3 billion in memorabilia related to sports, history, and pop culture. The body is also ambiguous with "Goldin" (i.e. Ken Goldin or Goldin Auctions?) whether it's him or the company w/ $1.3B: In 2012, Goldin established Goldin Auctions.[ Goldin has auctioned more than $1.3 billion worth of collectibles, including sports memorabilia and historical artifacts.—Bagumba (talk) 22:27, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Belgian hardcore DJ Liza 'N' Eliaz(pictured) was named a "spiritual leader" in France's free party movement? Source: "...who had carved out her name as a hard trance and techno champion. Such was the regard held for her that she was considered one of the spiritual leaders of the free party movement in France, even though she was Belgian."James, Martin (2022-06-15). French Connections: Daft Punk, Air, Super Discount & the Birth of French Touch. Velocity Press. ISBN 978-1-913231-30-9.
I'll be picking this up for review, but before doing so I need some clarifications. The hook claims that the policy was challenged; however as far as I can tell it hasn't been tested in court yet, and the given source is more of an analysis about its constitutionality rather than any actual decision or lawsuit. The current hook wording might be too vague to meet scrutiny; perhaps attributing the challenge to the ACLU, or maybe changing the wording would address this concern. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It can get a little vague. A lot of articles bring up that these policies "are in a legal gray area", "have been opposed by advocacy groups", and that these analyses have been written, but no formal challenge was made. Here's an alternate (that may be a bit less exciting):
The article was new enough and long enough at the time of the nomination, and everything is cited in the article and verified. I did not find any close paraphrasing. The nominator still has less than five nominations so no QPQ is required. ALT1 is okay (cited inline, AGF due to being paywalled for me), but I'd like to see some additional proposals as well. In addition, while not necessarily a DYK issue, I do note that the article is US-centric and does not mention if similar policies exist outside the US, so that may need to be addressed if sources about the practice outside of America exist. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:02, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been able to find any information about such policies that exist outside the US. I added a short subheading that points out there is little reporting and any mention of curfews in reference to a mall is due to a curfew that affects a whole population and isn't enacted by the mall itself. Reconrabbit15:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Consider also ALT2 ... that mall curfews in the United States have been used since 1996 with the intent of curbing the "unruly" behavior of teenagers?
ALT1: ... that following the 1972 FA Cup final at Wembley Stadium, Norman Hunter went to the Royal Box twice: once to receive his own medal, and again to help an injured teammate receive his? Source: [3]
ALT2: ... that a schoolteacher tried to make left-footed footballer Norman Hunter play right-footed? Source: [4]
Reviewed:
Improved to Good Article status by PearlyGigs (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Source: "It’s the Portillo moment of 2024. Liz Truss sensationally lost her safe South West Norfolk seat this morning, less than two years after serving as prime minister." [10]
I will not be reviewing this nomination, but isn't covering songs a really common thing for a band to do, especially songs from famous bands? Bremps...12:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Japan News ("His many experiences with injuries prompted an interest in physical care, and he opened a Japanese-style massage parlor using self-taught techniques. It became so popular that it was constantly filled with reservations.")
ALT1: ... that wrestler Gaku Akazawa qualified for the 2024 Summer Olympics after having been unsuccessful in qualifying for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 Olympics? Source: same ("he constantly battled injuries that led to surgery on both shoulders and derailed his bid to make the 2012 London Olympics ... he made the bold decision to venture by himself to Russia to hone his skills in the hotbed of wrestling. But he still came up short in qualifying for the next Olympics ... He was unable to be nationalized in time for the Tokyo Olympics in 2021, but gaining Samoa citizenship in December last year made him eligible for Paris.")
Adequate sourcing: - For ref 1: 出身 is actually hometown, not necessarily where he was born (he could've been born abroad), but ref 5 says born in Tokyo. Sourcing is fine otherwise.
... that Kavita Seth became so popular with the 2009 Hindi-language song "Iktara" that audiences wanted her to sing the song whenever she went for live concerts?
@Rhain: I just read through and, as expected, you and the GA reviewer have done a great job so I only tagged a couple of very minor things. Re the hook what do you think about holding the original hook until Xmas? If not I also like ALT7 but could we modify it to mention that the missing episodes may still exist? That way perhaps more chance that a reader would look in their attic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidgk1 (talk • contribs) 10:05, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Chidgk1: Thanks for your comments. I love the idea of holding until Christmas, but WP:SOHA states that hooks are typically not held for more than six weeks (besides April Fools') so unfortunately that seems unlikely. Sadly, I heavily doubt anybody still possesses the missing episodes in their attic, but would be willing to alter the hook if you think it would improve it. – Rhain☔ (he/him)12:10, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win a major French literary award?
Source: Chaulet Achour, Christiane (2013). "Prix littéraires et réception de la littérature haïtienne" [Literary prizes and reception of Haitian literature]. In Brodziak, Sylvie (ed.). Haïti. Enjeux d'écriture. Littérature Hors Frontière (in French). Saint-Denis: Presses universitaires de Vincennes. pp. 187–213. doi:10.3917/puv.brod.2013.01.0187. ISBN 978-2-84292-359-4.
ALT1: ... that Hadriana in All My Dreams, published in 1988, was the first novel by a Haitian author to win one of the major French literary awards? Source: ibid.
@Schwede66: the passage shows a table of Haitian writers that have won one of the six awards with dates and names of the authors. I'm struggling to reproduce the table, since every time I do so, the DYK template throws an error. Jaguarnik (talk) 23:06, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Jaguarnik: You should try replacing the vertical bars with |, like so:
I was going to say that PS should come out together, although checking WP:RSN, there isn't really a consensus, and this isn't really contentious. I'd be inclined to let it slide but I'll let a reviewer adjudicate on it. Full review needed.--Launchballer09:30, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You could practically cut the source without having to remove much of anything from the article (terminology of "party fingers" aside), so I don't think it's something to be especially concerned about. Sourcing the DYK to the LA Times instead does seem prudent, but I don't think it's a dealbreaker either way. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take this; it's my first time doing a DYK review, so if I mess anything up I do apologize. The article is new enough, long enough, has no apparent copyvio or neutrality issues, and the citations all seem fine barring the Popsugar situation that as stated isn't overly concerning. QPQ isn't necessary. I think the hook needs work though. Whilst the core of the fact is clearly established by the sources and obviously interesting, the wording isn't sufficiently clear. I understand the usage of "queer" for inclusiveness, but as it currently reads absolutely no association with sapphism or women whatsoever is implied. Any reader coming across this would be left to think gay men, asexuals, or straight transgender individuals cut their nails short as lesbian women. Given the entire point of the topic is its connection to lesbian and sapphic culture, that is a fundamental issue.
Beyond this, I have some comments about the article itself. I'm not sure if I'm perhaps stepping beyond what is expected of a DYK review here, but at worst they can't hurt:
The article is named "Queer manicure", but the opening sentence treats "Lesbian manicure" as the primary name and puts the former term in the parentheses. I again understand why there's a flux between terms (anecdotally, I always knew them as just "lesbian nails") and the sources seem to go back and forth on what to call them, but it seems sensible the body and title agree on which one to lead with.
The term "lez nails" is only used in the title of a single source, so I'm not sure if that's really supported by the citations as a noteworthy term for them rather than just an attempt at a catchy article header.
DYK articles obviously don't have to be comprehensive, but I do think given how much the six sources talk about the issue of pigeonholing lesbians into having short nails and how that conflicted with some people's identities and the importance of freedom for people to express themselves however they want, it's a bit weird the article only gives the briefest mention of it being a stereotype. If you do more work on the article in the future I'd love to see expansion on this talking point.
I'd remove the end of the introductory paragraph, the clause after the first in-line citation. It feels like it drifts offtopic from the subject of the article, and drag subculture is not mentioned at all in the cited source.
The first paragraph of "History and Culture" is laid out oddly. It makes it look like the 95% statistic comes from source three, but it's actually from source one. That in-line citation should be moved to after this information. Also, the clause about being part of "gaydar" is much more related to the second sentence and would probably fit better moved there.
Short nails have been widely considered as a "standard" among queer women opens the second paragraph but is essentially reworded repetition of what paragraph one just told us and can be removed entirely. The rest of the first sentence would make more sense added to the first paragraph, united as talking about the background of short nails in lesbian culture with paragraph two talking about the rise of the lesbian manicure as an evolution of this and the third paragraph discussing the cultural response to it. Also, source six would be better than source three for the The L Word statement.
I'm not convinced "party fingers" is terminology of sufficient note to be included here. It's mentioned a single time in one source (in a direct quote, no less), and no search combination of "party fingers" with relevant terms like manicure, penetration, lesbian, or queer seems to bring up anything remotely relevant to the subject (concerningly, that last one brought up this very article). The second use in the article, "party fingers" style of manicure, makes up an association between the "party fingers" terminology and the manicure itself never invoked in the cited source (which only ever treated it as a term for the fingers).
Based on my reading of the article (and granted, I know nothing about Euphoria), I'm not sure the statement about Natalie Minerva as correct. The article reads as if she did a lesbian manicure for the show Euphoria, but the source seems to say that she was the nail artist for Euphoria and, separately, gave Barbie Ferreira a lesbian manicure which was posted to Instagram.
Most of these are pretty small nitpicks, and I don't think I'd hold the nomination back over all of them, but it would be nice to see them addressed. Either way though, it's very nice to see an article on this classic piece of sapphic culture created and I'd love to see this on the front page once the hook and article issues can be ironed out. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 02:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that petite soprano Grace Panvini stood 4 foot 11 3/4 inches tall; a height which one reviewer described as an asset for appearing youthful on stage?
For the review calling her short stature an asset for appearing youthful: Alice Eversman (August 12, 1942). "Rigoletto Brings Singers to Water Gate". Washington Evening Star. p. 45.
Comment regarding the article title – MOS:ELLIPSIS says: Generally, use a non-breaking space before an ellipsis, and a regular space after it. The article title does not have a space before the ellipsis and I see no good reason why the space should not be there. Let's clear this up before it goes to the main page; wouldn't want to see this being moved whilst it is on the main page. Schwede6605:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: I would assume that MOS:ELLIPSIS is referring to how to write prose, not article titles. I can't find precedent that we conform ellipsis spacing to the MOS in titles. Here are some examples I found:
ALT2: ... that David Gillespie was the chief surveyor to Andrew Ellicott on the commission to determine the thirty-first parallel? Source: Holmes, Jack D. L. (April 1966). "The Southern Boundary Commission, the Chattahoochee River, and the Florida Seminoles, 1799". The Florida Historical Quarterly. 44 (4): 312–337. JSTOR30147229.
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Created by Aneirinn (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
: Article is new enough, and long enough, and predominantly soured with public domain content so no apparent copyright issues. However, I find none of the hooks interesting to a wide audience (an increasingly common issue with DYK). And despite the article title, no reliable sources seem to use the middle initial "B.": where does this come from? And spot checking sources, Battle 1890 does not seem to have a page 170, nor mention David Gillespie anywhere. --Animalparty! (talk) 16:32, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oops I used the wrong book as the source. The source I was using had combined the two books in one pdf and I had missed that. Also, concerning his middle name, I suppose you are saying that "Death at Red Springs". The Weekly Star. Vol. XXIX. Wilmington, North Carolina: North Carolina Newspapers, Digital North Carolina. June 10, 1898. p. 1. is not a reliable source for this? If so, could you please clarify if that is correct? Aneirinn (talk) 18:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now that the corrections have been made, I don't see anything that should be holding this up. I find the hypothesis given about his middle name plausible. Dr. David Bryson Gillespie (February 24, 1815–January 2, 1905), who attended the Medical College of South Carolina, [Source:Catalogue of the Students Attending Lectures in the Medical College of the State of South Carolina, Session 1837–'38. Charleston: James S. Burges, 85 East-Bay. 1838. p. 6 – via Medical University of South Carolina, Waring Historical Library.] was a son of Major David Gillespie. [Source:"Descendants of David Gillespie"(PDF). NCGenWeb.] I also find it plausible that the writer of that obituary wrote 'Major' David B. Gillespie for a reason, and that Major David named his son after himself, which would have them both having a middle name starting with a 'B'. This point of contention is not really an issue; however, I find it hard to believe that people would find the initial proposal or ALT1 dull or uninteresting. It is significant and interesting that, according to Kemp P. Battle, Major David Gillespie was the first person granted a document in the form of a diploma from the University of North Carolina, the oldest public university in the United States. This would also make David Gillespie the first person in the United States to receive a document in the form of a diploma from a public university. If more alternative hooks are necessary, I'm willing to provide additional options. Aneirinn (talk) 02:05, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that Anna DeShawn said she fell in love with radio because she could "talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants"? Source: https://chicagoreader.com/city-life/meet-anna-deshawn-of-e3-radio-and-the-qube/ She eventually found her niche when, as a student at Drake University, she landed an internship for the popular radio show Tom Joyner Morning Show. “I realized I could talk to thousands of people and make an impact while wearing sweatpants. I thought, ‘This is the life.’ And so I fell in love with radio.”
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Created by CaptainAngus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: Drive-by nom. Some editors are allergic to "first" hooks, but as there is only a finite number of MPs and all of their ages are in the public domain I think we're safe.
Comment only. It's interesting that you say that all of their ages are in the public domain. I spent a few hours yesterday clearing Results of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency of dozens of links to disambiguation pages. Very, very few of the new MP bios included a year of birth. I don't doubt that The Guardian has got its facts straight, but I do doubt that your statement holds true. If it was true, those bios would presumably have included birth years. Schwede6605:46, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that was a very clumsy way of putting that. I meant that all of the information would have been available to the Guardian for them to fact-check their claim (especially given that baby of the House is a thing). It's very unlikely someone else is going to sprout up and prove us wrong.--Launchballer19:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: The Guardian's just published an article saying that two further MPs were 24 at the time of election, and sniffing around some less than reputable sources (the @Tomorrow'sMPs Twitter account, which appears to be operated by Michael Crick) says that both Josh Dean (politician) and Euan Stainbank were born in 2000. It would appear that Carling's constituency declared first, but I'll do a deep dive into live results when I'm finished with Dead Pony. I do note that the Guardian has not retracted the article cited on this page.--Launchballer15:50, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to the Economist, Stainbank's Falkirk declared at 3:47, Dean's Hertford and Stortford declared at 4:03, and Carling's North West Cambridgeshire declared at 5:59. However, I did some further digging, and it turns out I've got the start of the 21st century wrong as there is no year zero in the Anno Domini system. So I am right, but not for the reason I expected.--Launchballer18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Probably because there were no hooks on the page for me to review and because I was explicitly invited to propose one - the only valid hook on that page is ALT2, which is my hook. Reviewers often propose new hooks and call for new reviewers, I fail to see the difference.--Launchballer16:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just to preempt a possible 'it's been a week without a QPQ' comment, my view remains that the provided QPQ is valid, on the grounds that the only hook on the page was mine, and I consider this no different to a reviewer saying 'this hook would be better, someone else needs to approve it'. I don't plan on doing a second. An actual reviewer can adjudicate on it.--Launchballer11:42, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Coming up with a good hook is as much work as reviewing a hook. Hence, this is a valid QPQ in my books (at least in spirit, and if others see it differently, then I suggest IAR). Schwede6604:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Motibai Kapadia is credited as the first Indian female physician in Western medicine to have trained alongside men in India?
Source: "Motibai was the first native woman doctor to be trained on parallel lines to native men doctors" [18]..."The first indigenous woman physician to get training alongside male physicians was Moti Bai"[19]
ALT1: ... that the Indian female physician Motibai Kapadia was in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital in Ahmedabad for 36 years from 1889? Source: "after returning from Britain, Kapadia was appointed in charge of the Victoria Jubilee Hospital for women, and remained there for 36 years."[20].
@BeanieFan11: New enough and long enough. Missing QPQ. Hook fact present and verified. No textual issues. Ready to go...once you review another nomination. And thank you for the reminder to work on my big NBC10 Boston rewrite. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:09, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a full review, but a UW Sugar Bowl media guide being used as a source on a non-routine claim about itself doesn't sound right to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 17:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Eilish Cleary's role as Chief Medical Officer of Health in New Brunswick was controversially terminated while studying glyphosate, a herbicide that is widely used in the province's industries?
... that following her death in 2019, Huang Wenxiu was elevated into a national model by the Chinese Communist Party in recognition of her work as a party secretary of a village in rural China?
Source: Ion Butnaru, "Actualitatea culturală bucureșteană. Între proză, film și dramaturgie — Interlocutor Fănuș Neagu", in Informația Bucureștiului, 7 February 1987, p. 5: Lucrez în prezent la două piese: „Casa de la miezul nopții", pentru „Bulandra“, și „Golful de plumb", pentru „Nottara“. Cea dintîi e o poveste de dragoste [...]. Cealaltă e o dramă care mi s-a întipărit in minte în timpul marilor revărsări de ape din deceniul trecut, cînd am trăit cîteva zile și nopți pe acoperișul Fabricii de Conserve Zagna-Vădeni; jur-împrejur pluteau milioane de cutii de conserve. Siretul curgea pe o lățime de 17 kilometri [...]. Eram împreună cu un inginer, cu zece muncitori, care încercau să salveze ce se mai putea salva, precum și cu niște indivizi, aruncați acolo de-o luntre spartă, și cu un lup azvîrlit de ape, care tremura de frica noastră. -- "I am presently working on two plays: 'A Midnight Home' for Bulandra, and 'A Gulf of Lead' for Nottara. The former is a love story [...]. The other is a drama that got stuck in my mind during the great floods of the preceding decade, when for a few days and nights I lived on the roof of Zagna-Vădeni Cannery; millions of cans were floating all around. The Siret had widened to 17 kilometers [...]. There was me, alongside an engineer, and ten workers, who were working on salvaging all that could be salvaged, as well as some fellas that had been thrown there out of a wrecked boat, and a wolf that had been discarded there by the waters, all trembling with fear at the sight of us."
ALT1: ... that Romanian novelist Fănuș Neagu(pictured) once appeared on screen as a heavy-drinking Soviet general—a role which "fit him like a glove, according to the more spiteful of commentators"? Source: Gabriel Dimisianu, "Amintiri cu Fănuș Neagu", in România Literară, Issue 13/2002, pp. 12–13: A doua zi apăru, într-adevăr, Fănuș Neagu [...], o namilă blondă cu alură izbitoare de rusnac. De pe urma acesteia s-a ales, peste ani, cu un rol într-un film de Andrei Blaier, acela al generalului Susaikov, trimisul rușilor în Comisia aliată de control, mare petrecăreț și frecventator asiduu, cum reiese din film, al caselor de plăcere din Crucea de piatră. Fănuș l-a interpretat cu mult aplomb, potrivindu-i-se rolul ca o mănușă, cum au susținut unii comentatori malițioși. -- "On the second day, we were indeed greeted by Fănuș Neagu [...], a blond-haired giant that perfectly resembled a Russki. Thanks to this he would much later be cast by Andrei Blaier in a film role as general Susaikov, a Russian member of the Allied Control Commission, a heavy drinker and, as the film suggests, a habitual client of the Crucea de piatră bordellos. Fănuș stepped into the role with great confidence, since it fit him like a glove, according to the more spiteful of commentators."
Source: Taraborrelli, J. Randy (2021). Grace & steel: Dorothy, Barbara, Laura, and the women of the Bush dynasty (First ed.). New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN978-1-250-24871-8., Robert Coe, Puritan
The full review is to follow, but right now I have a few concerns about the nomination. The first is that, despite being a newly-promoted GA, the lede seems rather short and seems to lack mentions of some of the other parts of the article; I'd suggest beefing it up a little. The second is that the hook is admittedly rather pedestrian as it's not uncommon for religious structures to replace pre-existing ones. The article is a GA and is thus full of suitable material so I'd suggest proposing additional hooks in the meantime. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that a 1954 fire in Busan, South Korea, caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty? Source: caused the loss of around 3,400 historic relics, including historic portraits of kings of the Joseon dynasty
Helping out with a ref for both hooks [21] (also in the article). Quotes in orig. Korean with my translation: "위 기사에서도 볼 수 있듯, 4천여 점에 이르는 유물 가운데 자그마치 3천4백 점이 잿더미가 되는 대참사가 일어나죠... 이 가운데는 48점이나 되는 조선 역대 임금의 초상화도 들어 있었습니다. 그나마 불에 타고 남은 조각이라도 건진 것은 다 합쳐서 18점. 나머지 30점은 화마(火魔)에 흔적도 없이 사라지고 말았습니다." -> "As you can see in the article above, a disaster occurred in which 3,400 of 4,000 relics were reduced to ashes in an instant... Among these were 48 portraits of past kings of the Joseon Dynasty. 18 items among these were salvaged, with the remaining 30 being completely lost." 211.43.120.242 (talk) 13:58, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Climbing Magazine, "Kelly’s winning race occurred in the semifinal round against teammate Sophia Curcio, who slipped early in the race. Kelly clocked a 7.69 and, since the final race was against Hunt, was automatically awarded the Olympic invitation."
... that the Durrës Expedition in 1376 saw Louis of Évreux successfully recapture Durrës from Karl Thopia, only for Thopia to reclaim the city in 1383?
Source: J. M. Hussey. The Cambridge medieval history. Volume IV. Part I, The Byzantine empire. Byzantium and its neighbours. University Press. p. 419. ISBN 978-0-5210-4535-3. "...The Navarrese Company succeeded in occupying Durazzo, apparently in the midsummer of 1376..."
John V. A. Fine (jr.), John Van Antwerp Fine. The Late Medieval Balkans A Critical Survey from the Late Twelfth Century to the Ottoman Conquest. University of Michigan Press. p. 384. ISBN 978-0-4720-8260-5. "...The Angevins retained Durazzo for a time, for in 1379 Joanna's new husband, Robert of Artois, is found issuing to Dubrovnik a charter pertaining to Durazzo. Karlo Thopia, who held the territory both north and south of the city, soon, probably in 1383, regained possession of Durazzo..."
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Improved to Good Article status by Arberian2444 (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Argentine naval officer Barry Melbourne Hussey was known as El Ingles ("the Englishman") by his comrades? Source: "Captain Barry Melbourne Hussey, another fluent English speaker, who was known in the Navy as 'El Ingles'" from: Bound, Graham (1 January 2007). Invasion 1982: The Falkland Islanders' Story. Casemate Publishers. p. 98. ISBN978-1-84415-518-7.
... that Leonhard Kaiser, a student of Martin Luther, was burned at the stake on this day in 1527 after being declared guilty of heresy?
Source: "...Kaiser... was arrested in March 1527, imprisoned, and finally interrogated. Charges against him included teaching justification through faith alone, contempt for good works, and heresy on several other issues, such as the Mass and its canon, confession and satisfaction, the other sacraments, freedom of the will, purgatory, invocation of the saints, and the power of the papacy. He was burned for his Lutheran beliefs on 16 August 1527. Entreaties on his behalf from Elector John of Saxony (r. 1525–1532) and Margrave Casimir of Brandenburg availed not at all. Luther wrote him a letter of consolation during his imprisonment. His death occasioned a propaganda exchange. Nine editions of an anonymous description of his execution elicited defenses of their respective positions from his instructor, Martin Luther" The Oxford Encyclopedia of the Reformation
Source: Königsberg, Wojciech (2023). "Akcja w Café Adria"(PDF). Biblioteka Polska Zbrojna Historia. 1.: Jan Kryst "Alan," a soldier in the Home Army, killed several Germans on May 22, 1943, in a retaliatory action at Warsaw's Café Adria. [...] Following the information provided by "Szyna," a meeting took place between the commander of Kedyw and his deputy and Kryst. The latter, explaining his fatal illness, expressed his readiness to carry out the most fatal mission against the representatives of the occupying forces. A different version on the motivation of "Alan" was indicated by his brother Zenon. He claimed that the illness did not threaten Jan's life, and explained his decision by his intention to take revenge on the Germans, which he had been carrying out since the outbreak of the war. It is possible that the exaggeration of the condition may have been a ploy to obtain permission to carry out a risky mission. [...] He received permission from the command to liquidate Gestapo men at the notorious Café Adria premises, and then, under the protection of two conspirators, was to make a breakaway from the scene of the action. [...] When another performance began on the dance floor, he drew his pistol and opened fire on the people sitting in front of him.
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Created by Marcelus (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Comment: This ballerina and later master tutor of the Bolshoi Ballet in a career spanning 70 years had no article yet, and I believe should be known (beyond the appearance in Recent deaths). I also believe that the image would transfer much better than any words what she stood for, or soared for. If you feel the same please donate a hook. I am tired of having mine rejected. I'll be out for the day, but will review later. You can pick from the lead:
Marina Viktorovna Kondratyeva (Russian: Марина Викторовна Кондратьева, pronounced[mɐˈrʲinəˈvʲiktərəvnəkɐnˈdratʲjɪvə]; 1 February 1934 – 8 July 2024) was a Russian ballerina at the Bolshoi Ballet. Described as "weightless, airy, poetic and spiritual", she is known for roles such as Juliet in Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet and as Adam's Giselle. She toured with the troupe to London and the Metropolitan Opera. She became a master tutor at the Bolshoi, passing the troupe's tradition for decades.
5x expanded by Thriley (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2110 past nominations.
Note 1: I have added ALTs 1–4. Note 2. If the qpq is delayed, please contact me, because I can donate a qpq. (I am not reviewing this).. Storye book (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only thing holding this up is the lack of a QPQ. Article is new enough, long enough (barely but its over the 1500 count), and within policy. No copyright violation detected. Hook is interesting and verified to the cited source. Ping me when the QPQ is done. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, you've been around for longest and would know: what do we do with the question marks? Me thinks the second one is superfluous and we'll just nuke it. Schwede6602:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Schwede66, definitely nuke it. (Indeed, I've done so.) The hook only needs to end with a question mark, and this won't be the first time that said question mark was part of an article name. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:58, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that artist Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to illustrate a work by H. Rider Haggard during his lifetime?
Source: Holterhoff, Kate (2023). "Romance fiction, folk tales, and poetry: Amy Sawyer and the Arts and Crafts movement". Nineteenth-century women illustrators and cartoonists. Manchester University Press. https://www.jstor.org/stable/jj.3078856 p 201: "This commission is remarkable in the graphic history of Rider Haggard. Well over one thousand unique illustrations were commissioned to accompany the approximately sixty romance fictions Haggard published during his lifetime, but of these only eighteen can be attributed to a woman artist – all by Sawyer for Heart of the World."
This hook is good! I think it would be better if we pointed out how much Haggard (never heard of him!) has been illustrated. Suggest:
ALT1: ... that of over a thousand illustrations created for H. Rider Haggard's works during his lifetime, Amy Sawyer(pictured) was the only woman to contribute?
Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182 (This cites the Register of Artists' models source: https://www.modelreg.co.uk/st_Articles2.php)
ALT1: ... that Euan Uglow compared his nude painting Articulation with The Endless Column by Constantin Brâncuși? Source: Lampert, Catherine (2007). Euan Uglow: the Complete Paintings: Catalogue Raisonné. London: Yale University Press. ISBN 9780300123494. p182
ALT2: ... that the demo for the My Chemical Romance song "Mama" was recorded inside a haunted mansion? Source: 'Not the Life It Seems: The True Lives of My Chemical Romance.' -- Page 154, "You can almost see the ghosts flying around the room when we recorded those songs. Especially that "Mama" song. When we played that at Paramour..." + https://www.altpress.com/the-black-parade-curse-my-chemical-romance/ -- "The Black Parade was partially written and recorded in a notoriously haunted mansion called the Paramour"
Maltby with her son Philip Randolph Meyer, home from flight training at Kelly Field, circa 1918.
... that physicist Margaret Eliza Maltby hid the birth of her child and then re-adopted him years later?
Source: In 2014, Autosomal DNA tests indicated that Philip Randolph Meyer was Maltby's natural son. He was born in June 1897, six months after Maltby's sudden resignation from Wellesley College. When Maltby returned to a research position in Germany in 1898, she left her son in the care of a friend who had a nursery. Upon taking up a post at Barnard College in 1901, Maltby reunited with Meyer. (Gill, Raymond (Spring–Summer 2016). "Genetics & Genealogy - Miss Maltby and Her Ward: Using DNA to Investigate a Family Mystery". American Ancestors. 17 (2): 49–52.)
ALT1: ... that in 1895 Margaret Eliza Maltby became the first woman to earn a PhD in physics in Germany? Source: Margaret Maltby earned her PhD in physics in 1895 at the University of Göttingen. [27]
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Comment: Sorry for the probable poor formatting of the source, my first time trying this!
Improved to Good Article status by Physhist (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
I can take this on. This'll be my first review as well, but I think I should be able to handle it! As such though, per WP:DYKRI, I'd like a second review (bolding just for emphasis to those scrolling by).
Clear at 100px: - With two people, Maltby (who should be the subject) is a bit hard to make out imo. May I suggest cropping the image, or using the image in the infobox instead?
QPQ: None required.
Overall: Very nice hooks! Unfortunately, I have quite a few concerns about sourcing in both the hooks and the article itself. For ALT1, I cannot access the complete source, however the excerpt provided only supports that Maltby earned her PhD in Germany, not that she was the first woman to do so. As for ALT0, the listed excerpt does not explicitly mention that she "hid the birth" of her son, nor does it say that she "re-adopted" him (I'm not sure if that can be conflated with "reunited"). Is there a different source which is more specific?
As for checks in the article itself, most of the sources are offline/paywalled, so I'm assuming good faith. Source #4 says that Maltby was the "first American woman allowed to take a degree" at the university, but it does not seem to support that she was the first woman overall to earn a Ph.D. in Germany. Source #25 should probably not be attributed to Encyclopedia.com, but rather to Women in World History: A Biographical Encyclopedia in line with the page's source (and at that, the source does not support the passage written in the article saying that Maltby received a star in her listing within the AMS). The article could also do with a slight copyedit, with some grammatical errors (quite a few missing commas and some choppy wording here and there) and citation numbers in the wrong order. Sorry that that's a lot, hopefully you're up for it! Leafy46 (talk) 16:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that Crater Lake #2(pictured), on display at the Oregon State Capitol, was painted by Margaret Coe, the 8th great granddaughter of colonist Robert Coe? Source: Oregon Legislature, Robert Coe, Puritan, Olmstead, Henry King (2021). Olmsted genealogy, third-fourth supplement, 1923-28. Hassell Street Press. ISBN1013458974., "Curtis Claire Coe". Statesman Journal. October 29, 1996.
Reviewed: NA
Comment: I'm partial to Alt1. I'm a historian, so I imagine Alt0 is more interesting to a general audience.
Created by AnotherColonialHistorian (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Not a review, but are we sure that the impressionist painting by Coe is released under the Creative Commons Attribution 4.0 International license? The source is offline, so it's difficult to check. I'm not sure if the Oregon Legislature and Coe would need to agree to jointly release the work in order for the license to be valid. Bremps...19:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I used materials from United Nations documents. According to this they are in the public domain worldwide so please don't flag them as copyright infringement. Also if you can please do copyedit on the article. If you need proof of the validity of offline sources then they can be arranged.
Created by Mehedi Abedin (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 11 past nominations.
ALT2: ... that Major General Jarrett Robertson died in the 1993 crash of a Black Hawk helicopter when its fuel control value failed and the aircraft's weight became imbalanced? Source: Moag, Jeffrey (1993-06-24). "Blackhawk Crash Blamed on Failed Fuel Control Valve". Inside the Pentagon. 9 (25). Inside Washington Publishers: 1–2. Retrieved 2024-07-13 – via JSTOR.
@Bremps: I completely agree and am almost certain it is too, but even after searching I haven't actually found a source that says it's his official photo. I didn't want to technically assume it was PD though, so I just went with fair use hoping to later find proof it was government work. I don't think it'd be a good choice for a Main Page photo at this time because there's no definitive answer that it's freely licensed. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 00:00, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that professor Lisa M. Corrigan used prison memoirs from prominent black activists to write about how incarceration impacted the development of the black power movement?
Source: "Examining the iconic prison autobiographies of H. Rap Brown, Mumia Abu-Jamal, and Assata Shakur, the author also conducts rhetorical analyses of these extremely popular though understudied accounts of the Black Power movement to introduce the notion of the "Black Power vernacular" as a term for the prison memoirists' rhetorical innovations" - Relevant Books: Prison Power
ALT1: ... that Lisa M. Corrigan had difficulties publishing her black power movement book because white reviewers believed the movement wasn't important to the discourse of the civil rights movement? Source: "The biggest challenge I faced with Prison Power was the resistance from (white) reviewers who were not convinced that the Black Power movement was an important historical intervention into white discourses about citizenship. Reviewers characterized Black Power leaders as “foolish, “self-centered,” “nihilistic” children, thereby performing the kind of white supremacist argumentation that Prison Power exposes and attempts to undermine. My response was always the same: white critics could not understand Black Power as a movement, Black Power activists as interlocutors, or Black Power memoirs as legitimate subjects and objects of rhetorical and political invention because they didn’t see Black people as legible interpreters of white supremacy." - Prison Power: A New Book on the Role of Prisons in Black Liberation Struggles
... that in 1941 Aleister Crowley issued a manifesto of human rights which included the controversial assertion of the right to commit tyrannicide?
Source: Crowley, Aleister; et. al. (2004) [1997]. "Editor's note to p. 689 Appendix VIII". In Hymenaeus Beta (ed.). Magick: Liber ABA, Book 4, parts I-IV (2nd. rev. ed.). York Beach, Maine: S. Weiser. p. 788: "[...] but I've got them down to five sections: moral, bodily, mental, sexual freedom, and the safeguard tyrannicide [...]".
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5x expanded by Skyerise (talk).
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Yes. See [28] (p. 135), "Devenue la Haute - Côte - d'Ivoire , plus de la moitié du territoire burkinabè , où résident plus des deux tiers de sa population , est rattachée à la colonie ivoirienne ." --Soman (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The page cited also notes the years. Earwig gives 0% chance of copyright violation, which is very impressive. QPQ is confirmed. I do not feel that the hook is as compelling as could be. Is there an interesting reason why Burkina Faso did not exist between 1938 and 1947 and was rather absorbed into Upper Ivory Coast? simongraham (talk) 14:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, the name Burkina Faso was not in use until 1984 (thus the wording 'present-day Burkina Faso'). There was a French colony called Upper Volta, which later became the Republic of Upper Volta which later was renamed Burkina Faso. Upper Volta was, as indicated in the article, abolished in 1932 and most of its territory merged into Ivory Coast. These parts merged with Ivory Coast became the region of Upper Ivory Coast in 1938. Essentially, which is implied in the article, the French used Upper Volta/Upper Ivory Coast as a pool for recruitment of labour for their plantations in (lower) Ivory Coast. Upper Volta was reconstituted in 1947 due to the pressure of Mossi elites. --Soman (talk) 11:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sreekar Prasad during a virtual Q&A session on his YouTube channel
... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad won the National Award for Best Editing in his debut film Raakh in 1989 and was the first-ever recipient of the Special Jury Award for editing in 2009?
ALT2: ... that Indian film editor A. Sreekar Prasad holds a record for editing films in 17 different languages and has won eight National Awards from five different Presidents between 1988 and 2010?
Comment The obvious problem is that your hooks don't link the nominated article. Next problem is that the nominated article should appear in bold font. Schwede6623:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT1: ... that fire behavior during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire(char pictured) was highly unpredictable? Source: Kurtz, M.V. (1941). "History of Colville National Forest History of the Colville National Forest Part II Page II-22 middle paragraph on Dollar mountain fire
Other problems: - Some grammar problems in the lead, the second paragraph of background, both paragraphs of the fire section, and the aftermath section.
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Overall: The hook seems a little too long, probably better like: "... that during the 1929 Dollar Mountain Fire (pictured), 65 firefighters survived overnight by hiding under a ledge?" But it's okay if you don't want to apply that. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗03:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The shortened version removes that they were surrounded by wildfire flames, and thus makes the hook much more mundane. In this case the flames were bad enough in the area the men were that everyone outside that area assumed no one could survive them.--Kevmin§16:38, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@TheNuggeteer: An event taking place in a 94,000–142,000 acres (147–222 sq mi) fire zone is not the same as an event like this happening at the fire line itself, having the "surrounded by fire" portion is important context. What grammar issues are you specifically seeing? (you know you are allowed to fix minor problems in articles you review right?) If you feel they are major, then inform the talk page or me so I can address them. Grammar (unless its completely unreadable English) is not a criteria that DYK noms are reviewed on, FYI.--Kevmin§17:02, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that in a traditional Pontic Greek folktale, a girl with teeth the size of hatchets indiscriminately killed and ate people? Source: [5]
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Comment: I know it's a long article, so to make it a bit easier for you to find the references in the text:
The citations for for the first hook are refs 99, 100, and 101 in the article (under the "Dance" section).
The citations for the first alt hook is ref 235 under the "Holidays" section, "Lent and Easter" subsection.
The citation for the second alt hook is ref 154 under the "Folktales" section.
Created by Kravk (talk).
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^Georgoulas, Renee; Southcott, Jane (2015). "A case study of a Greek Australian traditional dancer: Embodying identity through musicking". Victorian Journal of Music Education. 1: 12. The Pontians brought their histories, personal narratives, language, religion and dance and from these constructed their collective identity [...] Dance is a vital part of Pontian society.
^Liddle, Valerie (2016). "Pontic dance: Feeling the absence of homeland". In Hemer, Susan R.; Dundon, Alison (eds.). Emotions, Senses, Spaces: Ethnographic Engagements and Intersections(PDF). University of Adelaide Press. p. 49. ISBN9781925261271. The movements of the dance outwardly express the passion the dancers feel about what it means to be Pontian.
^Tyrovola, Vasiliki; Karepidis, Ioakeim K.; Kardaris, Dionysios G. (September 30, 2007). ""Ποντιακοί Χοροί": Παρελθόν και Παρόν Δομική-Μορφολογική και Τυπολογική Προσέγγιση" ["Pontic Dances": Past and Present Structural-Morphological and Typological Approach]. Inquiries in Sport and Physical Education (in Greek). 5 (2): 242. ISSN1790-3041. Στο πλαίσιο της προσφυγικής αλληλεγγύης και της επικύρωσης της ποντιακής ταυτότητας, ιδρύθηκαν τοπικοί ποντιακοί σύλλογοι, οι οποίοι κυρίως μέσω του χορού και της μουσικής, ενεργοποίησαν, παράλληλα με το κέφι και τη διάδοση της ποντιακής κουλτούρας, αισθήματα κοινοκτημοσύνης και κοινωνικής ταυτότητας.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 133–134. Children were watched over by the "koukara", a potato in which seven feathers had been stuck and which was then hung from the roof. Children were told that it would see them and something bad would happen to them if they were to eat anything that should not be eaten during the period of Lent.
^Papadopoulos, Steve (1984). Events and Cultural Characteristics Regarding the Pontian-Greeks and Their Descendants (PhD). New York University. pp. 112–118. The following tale, told in Amisos Pontos, about a girl whose teeth looked like hatchets is provided [...] 'Once upon a time, in a village of Sampsounta, there was born a wild girl. As days passed, this girl became bigger, and her teeth were getting much bigger as well. When she was ten years old, her teeth looked like hatchets. They would bite anyone who crossed her path. This wild girl also had a brother, two years younger than she. A day did not pass without her biting anyone [...] When she reached fifteen years of age, she ate a young child.'
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
Source: García, Fernando; Ostuni, Hernán (September 2002). "Historieta & Sociedad: El Eternauta" [Comic books & Society: The Eternaut] (PDF). Revista latinoamericana de estudios sobre la historieta (in Spanish). La Habana, Cuba: Pablo de la Torriente Editorial. Archived(PDF) from the original on 23 June 2023. Retrieved 22 June 2023.
This looks good. The article is new enough (written on 17 July), long enough (3,786b of prose), has no copyright violations (Turnitin and Earwig report 0% likelihood) and seems well-sourced. The hook is quirky and I feel is interesting. Is there a reference for the assertion? Coonin 2018 p. 18 states that he "was probably not closely related to the famous Bardi family". simongraham (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Simongraham: We know Donatello's immediate family was not the Bardi bankers (Coonin p.17 establishes this I believe), and then Coonin p.18 says that it's not likely they were extended family, either, but distant - I suppose given the focus in that part of the article is on how intertwined the Bardi branches were or weren't, that's why I only cited p.18. But, yeah, we could add p.17 to the reference. Kingsif (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Simongraham: I don't think the hook needs it; the source establishes his immediate family was not the famous bankers, which I would feel comfortable to say confirms that "he wasn't [one]". The sentence in the article about how distant that relation is, might warrant it, though other sources speak more firmly (e.g. [31]). Kingsif (talk) 11:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BeanieFan11: This is mostly fine in length and hook fact presence. I note the hook fact is not cited to NBC News but an interview done by NBC's PR team, and I am not sure how I feel about that. I do need QPQ as well. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 16:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Ben-Yehuda, Nachman (1996). Masada Myth: Collective Memory and Mythmaking in Israel. University of Wisconsin Press. ISBN 978-0-299-14833-1, p. xxi: "The bones of twenty-seven humans found on Masada are brought to burial in an official state ceremony."; pages 241-243: "The affair began in October 1963… Immediately, there were newspaper reports to the effect that the remains were probably of the fighters of Masada, and a state burial ceremony was called for. This issue was raised in March 1967, once again, by the same Shlomo Lorentz of the ultra-Orthodox party Agudat Israel. In a blazing speech in the Knesset he demanded that the remains of the skeletons found on Masada should be given a Jewish burial. Mr. Aharon Yadlin, then the minister of culture and education, pointed out that the Jewish identity of the skeletons had not been established and suggested passing the whole issue on to one of the Knesset’s committees. His suggestion was accepted. In fact, the Knesset’s Committee on Culture and Education held a discussion with Yadin on this particular issue in February and March of 1968… On March 12, 1969, Yigael Yadin told Haaretz that he was opposed to a public burial ceremony. He stated that the evidence of the identity of the skeletons was not conclusive enough. He also stated that he believed that the bones were those of the people of Masada but that he lacked definitive proof. In response to this, the spokesman for the Ministry of Religious Affairs stated the next day, also in Haaretz, that “the heroes of Masada came there from Jerusalem and fought the war of the holy city; therefore, it is only natural that their bones would find their final resting place on the Mount of Olives, which was a Jewish cemetery during the days of the Second Temple…. on July 7, 1969, the skeletons that had been uncovered by Yadin’s excavations about five years earlier were brought to burial in a full and formal military ceremony near Masada, at a place called “the hill of the defenders… An impressive array of dignitaries (including Menachem Begin, Yigael Yadin, and Rabbi Shlomo Goren) were present at the burial ceremonies."
I don't think this is that bad to deserve a cross, but you'll definitely want to add a cite to the first paragraph of Yadin's executions at minimum, and that's before interrogating any of the sources.--Launchballer14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Launchballer: I have added a cross-ref (it had been referenced at the end of the paragraph, but the paragraph was then split in to two). Re the IP's comments, the citation quote gives all the info about the funeral, and the rest of his book is about the myth. I guess the IP is referring to the latter question. I can bring some more quotes if helpful.
For context, all the sources in the article say essentially the same thing – there is only one known original source for this event, Josephus. The Israeli national myth version differs from that story in a number of significant ways. We can add some nuance to the words "is now known to be a myth" if that is helpful, but the underlying point is beyond doubt.
The wording that it "is now known to be a myth" is simply not supported by the source provided. Perhaps "believed by some to be a myth" or even better "described by one scholar as a myth" could be supported by the citation, but "is now known to be a myth" embellishes the source far beyond any justifiable limit. Alansohn (talk) 01:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
IMO could be phrased better so as to accentuate the novelty of the occurrence. maybe "1938 Catholic eucharistic procession featured 80k marchers and a blimp broadcasting hymns?" Maximilian775 (talk)
Jubilee Bridge over the River Tay, looking downstream (south)
... that the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow construction of the Jubilee Bridge(pictured)?
Source: https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/a9 North of here, the course of the River Tay was diverted to allow the new road to run along the river valley.
All good except: (1) some portions of the text lack citations; (2) there is some copied text per Earwig's tool: [32]; and (3) the last sentence of the lead doesn't have a period. Please add cites, rewrite the copyvio in your own words, and fix the missing period. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will be off until 10am UK/UTC time Monday since I may not edit on Sunday's and will also be off that day. Also pinging Coldupnorth. Otherwise, I should be able to make those improvements on Monday. It's already 22:42 and I need to sleep. The hot weather is already making it harder. JuniperChill (talk) 21:47, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was about to make the requested changes, but it seems like they have been done. Thank you Coldupnorth for this. To be fair, While I didn't start this article, I made some significant changes to it. I don't really edit on Sunday's as often as other days. JuniperChill (talk) 08:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that although it took until the age of 30 for triathleteMatthew Wright to win his first international competition, he went on to become an Olympian?
Source: British Triathlon ("NTPCW athlete Matthew Wright heads to Paris for the 2024 Olympics! ... By 2022, these efforts were beginning to pay off, with Matthew winning his first ever international race at the age of 30")
Article is in good shape with excellent sources cited throughout. Length is fine, and no copyright violation detected. Hook fact is verified to the cited source. My only issue is with the interestingness of the hook fact itself. Age 30 doesn't seem like a surprising age in this category of sport. According to this study ( https://extremephysiolmed.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2046-7648-2-27 ) men's peak performance on average in the triathlon is 31.6 years of age. It would stand to reason that many men would be winning around this age in the major competitions. I don't think the age of 30 is therefore particularly surprising or hooky. Is there some other fact that might be of more interest? If there isn't a better fact, I'm not necessarily opposed to approving it if others think it is of suitable interest.4meter4 (talk) 16:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reference #2 says: He made triathlon part of his diverse sporting repertoire, before focusing on it fully from the age of 16. Hence, winning his first international competition after focussing solely on triathlon for 14 years might be hooky enough. Schwede6600:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source: Inside the Games ("The Caribbean island gained independence from Britain in 1978, but had to wait until Atlanta 1996 to make its Olympic debut. Six athletes competed, with five in track and field and Lawrence [referring to Woody Lawrence, Warren's father, as mentioned later in the article] the only swimmer.") and Dominica News Online ("Warren Lawrence the son of Olympic swimmer Woodrow 'Woody' Lawrence today created history for Dominica at the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games by becoming the first ever swimmer to represent this country at the Commonwealth Games.")
... that Panamanian earth scientist Erika Podest joined NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory to study how climate change has been affecting soil moisture around the world?
... that Robert Turner(pictured) remained in post for around 30 years after being described as "the oldest soldier in the Royal Artillery"?
Source: "Master Gunner Robert Turner, Windsor, Berkshire, 1880 (c) Photograph, 1880 (c). ... At the date of this photograph he was said to have been the oldest soldier serving in the Royal Artillery." from: "Master Gunner Robert Turner, Fort Belvedere, Windsor Park, 1880 (c)". National Army Museum, London. Retrieved 19 July 2024. and "on monday last week there passed away at Fort Belvedere, Windsor Park, the oldest soldier wearing the uniform of the British Army" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
ALT1: ... that Robert Turner(pictured) was visited at Fort Belvedere by Queen Victoria and Edward VII? Source: "he was appoitne din charge there as a servant ofQueen Victoria. Her Majest often called at the Fort in her summer drives ... and she always made kindly enquiries of the old and faithful soldier. After ascending the thone the late King also several time visited the spot and graciously entered into conversation with its custodian regarding his health" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
ALT2: ... that when the cannons used for royal salutes at Fort Belvedere wore out elderly gunner Robert Turner(pictured) continued to mock fire them every noon on royal birthdays? Source: "the guns which were of an old type and mostly captured from enemies became dangerous from exposure and disuse. The practice was then discontinue much to the regret of the younger generation of this district who, cnsidered it an unfailing source of attraction to go up to Fort Belvedere at noon on the queen's and other royal birthdays to witness the unusual spectacle of mimic warfare. Then the veteran soldiers ... passed from piece to piece in the performance of his duty" from: "Death of Acting Master-Gunner Turner". Windsor and Eton Express. 2 July 1910. p. 8.
Overall: Nearly there. Only need a source in Gene's article for the statement After attending KU, Camarena moved to Wichita, Kansas, where he has lived since, except for his two years spent at Harvard.BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison died on 22 August 1915 of wounds sustained while trying to rescue an injured soldier from no mans land?
Source: I've cited it to a book that had more detail but you can get the outline readily from: >McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.
ALT1: ... that Australian military chaplain Andrew Gillison took up arms to snipe at Turkish soldiers in Gallipoli? Source: "Gillison used his well tried target-shooting skills to participate enthusiastically in sniping and counter sniping" from: Walter, John (28 February 2019). The Sniper Encyclopaedia: An A-Z Guide to World Sniping. Casemate Publishers. p. 236. ISBN978-1-78438-242-1.
Overall: Image is public domain, article is new and sourced. However, it seems there are possible plagiarism issues and I also do not find either hook that interesting to be honest, and not sure if ALT1 is particularly neutral. The fact about him being the only Australian chaplain to die there is perhaps more interesting. Arcahaeoindris (talk) 02:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Arcahaeoindris, can you review the paraphrasing please. I reworded "appointed a part-time chaplain to the Australian military" from the lead which in summarising the article I had returned to wording close to the source. The rest of the things flagged look to be proper names of organisations or quotes which I have attributed in the article. Can you please advise on the neutrality issue, is it a concern with WP:NPOV of the article? If with the hook then the requirement at Wikipedia:Did_you_know/Guidelines only applies to living persons. That he took up arms whilst being a chaplain was certainly the most interesting fact in the article for me. Happy to look at alternatives though, I have drafted the one you recommended and a couple of others below - Dumelow (talk) 06:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2:... that, on 22 August 1915, Andrew Gillison became the only Australian chaplain to be killed in the Gallipoli campaign? (source: "Gillison was the only chaplain killed at Gallipoli but all knew that they risked death constantly" source: Defence Force Journal. Department of Defence. 1989. p. 81.. NB: Defence Force Journal is published by the Australian Department of Defence, so is written from that point of view. I know of William Jospeh Finn, a British chaplain that was killed there.)
ALT4: ... that among the last words in the diary of chaplain Andrew Gillison before his death at Gallipoli were "I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again"? (Source " 'I never beheld such a sickening sight in my life and hope it may not be my lot again'. His diary ends on that sad note" from: McKernan, Michael. "Andrew Gillison (1868–1915)". Australian Dictionary of Biography. National Centre of Biography, Australian National University. Retrieved 16 July 2024.. You can also read the diary itself at "Wallet 1 of 1 - Diary relating to the service of Chaplain Andrew Gillison, 1914 - 1915 Page 147/147". Australian War Memorial. Retrieved 16 July 2024. it is the penultimate sentence)
Source: NME - "Jack White has surprise released a new solo album by slipping it into the bags of customers at Third Man Records, and is now encouraging fans to share it online. On Friday (July 19), the former White Stripes frontman appears to have decided to give select music fans a surprise by having vinyl copies of his mystery new record added to their purchases at the London, Nashville and Detroit locations of his string of record stores. The record sleeve carries no information about its contents, simply reading ‘No Name’ on the label."
... that although the Canary Islands is one of the most-visited tourist destinations in Spain, a third of its residents are at risk of poverty, a reason for mass anti-tourism protests?
ALT1: ... that wealth generated by tourism in Barcelona is claimed to be a reason for increased social inequality, causing activists to protest against overtourism?
Comment: I'm sure there are some other hooks in here somewhere; however, I believe these are strong as is. If any suggestions arise, feel free to let me know.
Improved to Good Article status by Joeyquism (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
... that by using Timur as the subject of the fourth poem (Timurnama) of his Khamsa (quintet), its author Hatefi implied that the Turco-Mongol conqueror was a second Alexander the Great? Source: "Hatifi wrote a Khamsa (‘Quintet’) in emulation of the Khamsas of Nizami Ganjavi and Amir Khusrau Dihlavi, but replaced the earlier poets’ romances of Alexander/Iskandar with an epic about Timur, thus implicitly identifying Timur as another Alexander." (Melville, p. 1124)
ALT2: ... that Alfred Biliotti's(pictured) duties as a British diplomatic official included archaeological investigations and investigating war crimes?
Source: "Freshly installed as the head of Ukraine’s Unmanned Systems Forces, the first position of its kind in the world, Colonel Sukharevsky is shaping history once again." Vadym Sukharevsky, the man in charge of Ukraine’s drones
... that the two victims of the 1875 Zénith balloon disaster are depicted on their tomb (pictured) holding hands, as described in testimonies from the day of their death?
The article is both long and new enough. Both the topic and the hook are interesting enough for the main page. Before going ahead, there are come in-line citation tags which need to be resolved. Also, the hook is backed by two sources, one being tagged as seld published and the other in Fr. Can you come back with a reliable source in English (though it is not mandatory)? --Mhhosseintalk07:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Global Donald . Thanks for the change, the sources are improved now, though there's still one section with no references. By the way, can this small scale incident be called a "disaster"? --Mhhosseintalk09:54, 24 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
... that New York City's Metropolitan Club once had a busybodies' club? Source: Porzelt, Paul (1982). The Metropolitan Club of New York. Rizzoli. p. 152.
ALT1: ... that when New York City's Metropolitan Club was established, there was another Metropolitan Club two city blocks away? Source: Porzelt, Paul (1982). The Metropolitan Club of New York. Rizzoli. pp. 22-23.
ALT2: ... that one prospective member of New York City's Metropolitan Club was rejected due to silver coins? Source: "Why Wolcott Was Blackballed: the Metropolitan Club of New York Objected to His Friendliness to Silver". The Washington Post. May 8, 1894. p. 5.
ALT3: ... that New York City's Metropolitan Club, once known as the "Millionaires' Club", almost sold its clubhouse due to financial troubles? Source: Dow, Jim (December 14, 2018). "Inside New York's most exclusive private clubs". Financial Times; "Metropolitan Club Members Stave Off Sale: 150 of 750 Agree to Save $2,000,000 5th Avenue Home With Own Funds". New York Herald Tribune. March 18, 1945. p. 22.
ALT4: ... that New York City's Metropolitan Club was once called "a splendid palace, fit for kings of industry"? Source: Sherman, Beth (March 22, 1990). "Walking White's New York". Newsday.
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A new hook has to be proposed as the current one does not meet WP:DYKFICTION. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:47, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
...and call for a full reviewer.--Launchballer 21:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC).jpg)
Good to go! 🌙Eclipse (talk) (contribs) 21:49, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
no issues with the article. original hook is bad, taking a quote out of context. alt1 is boring. alt2 is confusing, and made me think that there was a hotline you could call in the documentary. ltbdl (talk) 02:07, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
it looks like the objection still stands; without action in over two weeks, I'm afraid I need to mark this for closure. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 21:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Article length and age are fine; no copyright violations or plagiarism could be found; reliable sources are used. Since, according to the sources cited, there are several suspected identifications for these graves, it is perhaps best to add in the lead paragraph: “Although disputed, these graves are attributed to the engineers of Sultan Suleiman the Magnificent, who, according to Jerusalem legend, built the city's wall.” The hook should also clarify this point. For example:
ALT2 ... that according to one legend, two engineers who built the Walls of Jerusalem are buried near the Jaffa Gate after the Ottoman sultan killed them for excluding David's Tomb on Mount Zion from the walls?Davidbena (talk) 03:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
Done, and I can see the license either logged in or not. dxneo (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 01:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
- After copyediting, it does not meet the 1,500-character threshold.
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Can you identify the source(s) for the hook and cite the relevant excerpt(s). Very likely I missed it among the multiple cites for that sentence. Thanks. —Bagumba (talk) 19:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 04:30, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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2603:7000:2101:AA00:A91E:FA5D:EAB2:D6B0 (talk) 09:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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